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Post by patsfan on Mar 24, 2010 22:27:13 GMT -5
alright, we've talked this over in staff, and apparantly have decided against it. i just want to see what all the owners think before we ultimately put this to bed. basically, instead of signing draft picks instantly, there would be a one-week period where every team has the right to their drafted player and their corresponding salary, but dont officially sign til a week later. its kinda like in the nfl how draft picks dont sign contracts immediately on draft day but wait a few months. remember the manning-rivers draft day trade? this would allow that to happen without anyone sacrificing rb cap penalties for trading the players. it would just be one week, where rb penalties wouldnt apply on draft picks but the entire salaries would transfer (no player is gonna have a smaller contract has a result of being traded, where they are initially picked is what their compensation will be). obviously option 2 is for this, option 1 against this. how do u guys feel?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2010 22:41:11 GMT -5
So would you be suggesting that only rookie players acquired in the the actual draft could be traded for another player acquired in the draft?
What if an owner wanted to trade two drafted players for one, would that be ok too? What if an owner wanted to trade one of their current roster players for your drafted player, would that be ok too? What if an owner is willing to give a cash payment for the drafted player, would that be ok too? Must all drafting be completed before trading could take place, or could someone trade their already drafted player for a later yet to be drafted pick? And what is to prevent chain reaction trading of these yet to be signed players, what a nightmare that would be to track for an entire week.
Basically what I am saying is at what point do we draw a line, currently it is drawn in such a way that if you want to increase your chances of getting the player you want to draft you trade for a higher pick, if the person in front of you gets the one person you really ached for you should have tried harder to improve your pick~or you just take a dive this year and really ensure you get the player you want next year--lol
THis is just one owners opinion, all owners are encouraged to vote. THe idea is to make this as much fun as possible for all owners so it will be interesting to see the results either way.
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Post by patsfan on Mar 24, 2010 22:44:59 GMT -5
thanks for destroyin the thing lol. but yeah i think that for that one week, the drafted player's salary would stay the same from where he was drafted, and any trade involving him, rb penalties would not be enforced (just on him). the more and more u trash it the more i agree with u lol, im not crazy about this either, just thought we should see what the average owner thought before we put it completely to bed
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Post by mrarmageddon on Mar 24, 2010 23:06:04 GMT -5
One week after.
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Post by patsfan on Mar 24, 2010 23:11:04 GMT -5
i could care less at this point but just a comeback to ur argument. i dont think this diminishes draft pick trading because it is better to trade up for that player u want, than risk letting someone else get him and try to trade for him after. its risky cause then what if the owner really like that player too and doesnt want to part with him, u'd pretty much be at his mercy in the trade talks. basically what im saying is trading up is still the surer way to go and by trying to trade for the player after u are taking a big risk. nothing is certain either way, i just think owners will be more willng to trade up and not risk it, thus not diminishing draft pick trading. this would just be there for the off chance something like manning-rivers occurs and would spare unnessary rb penalties for a week. the rest of ur questions can be answered quite easily if we were to agree on this concept. thats all i have to say, just playin devil's advocate, its not a big deal to me, lets just sit back and see what people think
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Post by dolphins on Mar 24, 2010 23:13:44 GMT -5
its kind of like rading the rights to a player i say 1 week
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Post by San Francisco 49ers on Mar 24, 2010 23:24:42 GMT -5
All it looks like is we are saying RB's of a rookie draft pick will be put on hold for a week, making it easier/less risky to trade, I don't think it would be anymore of a nightmare than trading/free agency has already been on trying to keep track...I don't think it's a make or break thing to do, but this is the first year and it would always be easier to try it first and get rid of it doesn't work out...
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Post by San Francisco 49ers on Mar 24, 2010 23:28:24 GMT -5
Not exactly the same, but I see this as similar to the actual NFL draft moving to 3 days. Teams will have more time to trade and rethink picks during the draft, instead of the way it has been, instead having to plan so much ahead...this obviously has it's advantages and disadvantages, but it's kind of a way of leveling out the playing field...just my thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2010 6:29:08 GMT -5
I don't think we should change rules in mid stream. The new rule is not bad and maybe better but I think it is too late for this season. Owners have traded picks under one set of rules. They may have traded the picks because they did not want to pay the rb for who they might get. Now changing the rules I believe benefits some owners more than others.
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Post by patsfan on Mar 25, 2010 6:33:27 GMT -5
but does it really change that much. now they want to pay that rb? rb is staying with the player, none of it is getting deleted, it is getting transfered in its entirety in trades for that week. not sure how this changed that exactly. can give an example? and u would u be in favor of adding this next year?
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Post by Washington Redskins on Apr 9, 2010 21:00:59 GMT -5
I think it should be similar to the NFL. I think one week isn't enough time, in the NFL you keep rights to a player until the following draft. Well realistically that is too long, I think a month would be a more fitting period of time to own the rights of a player whether you are gonna trade them or not. Also the rights of the player should also be treated as an existing player on your roster, it is your will to trade them for whatever price you deem fit. Think of it as credit in a way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2010 21:11:42 GMT -5
Just as a 'something to think about' a draft pick just got traded for $10M in Cash, and Austin Miles set a FA record. How much do you think some teams will pay in Cash for THE PLAYER they had their heart set on and just missed in the draft, Teams that have acquired high draft picks under the existing rules WILL BENEFIT mORE if the rules change by not paying any RB penalty. If they want the draft pick so much atleast be willing to pay the RB/and length that has been set to go along with it. I understand the desire to have a free period of trading but I think if you think it out more you will see that it will upset the natural balance that exists in the current system rules. Next season is different as owners will have a year to pick up or drop draft picks with full knowledge of the free trade period.
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Post by patsfan on Apr 9, 2010 21:36:12 GMT -5
u guys want to start discussing this for next year?
ps- NYJ, u might be a little bias considering u have no draft picks
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Post by dolphins on Apr 9, 2010 21:43:24 GMT -5
no i see what jets is saying it affected the strategy earlier . i change my vote
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Post by patsfan on Apr 9, 2010 21:44:23 GMT -5
yeah this isnt happening this year- that ship has sailed. any interest for proposing this next year?
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Post by dolphins on Apr 9, 2010 21:45:39 GMT -5
i actually say the year after that b/c some teams have already traded those picks
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Post by patsfan on Apr 10, 2010 10:00:50 GMT -5
how much do u guys really think this changes draft pick value? it really doesnt have that much of an effect. owners will still try and get in position to take their targeted player, rather than take the risk of having to give too much later to trade for him. i just think its not as big a deal as u guys make it out to be, but thats just me
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Post by San Francisco 49ers on Apr 10, 2010 10:38:05 GMT -5
I agree that it's too late to do it this year, I think we should do it next year, I mean I honestly don't think it would change much, just give people a chance to trade or attempt to trade for those players after the draft for a short period without penalty...
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Post by Washington Redskins on Apr 10, 2010 19:33:23 GMT -5
Ya it sounds good to propose it for next year. The basis of this league is a true NFL-like experience, so I think it would be a good idea to have the way we own the rights to players after we draft them similar the the NFL
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