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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 11:00:16 GMT -5
Carolina stop hogging all the IR players (seriously 3 and the season hasnt even started) ~lol save some for the rest of us I still vote for 2 IR spots,,,i dont want a team entering the off season having picked up 6 injured studs in addition to their 24 man roster, way too many issues there. A limit forces the owner to make some value judgement about keeping the player. I think that the player should actually be injured to qualify but so many times NFL teams play games with the IR declaration, that players stay PUP all season (ELVIS DUMMERVILE) and the owner really deserves a chance to make that call.
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Post by kiko13 on Sept 3, 2010 11:37:39 GMT -5
Carolina stop hogging all the IR players (seriously 3 and the season hasnt even started) ~lol save some for the rest of us Ya, no kidding. Somehow injuries come my way every year. In my other league I constantly have those damn red plus signs next to my players' names (we use cbssports). Last year I drafted Chris Henry. I think that pretty much says it all right there. Not funny in real life, but LOL at my injury/death bad luck.
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Post by kiko13 on Sept 3, 2010 11:54:19 GMT -5
I still vote for 2 IR spots,,,i dont want a team entering the off season having picked up 6 injured studs in addition to their 24 man roster, way too many issues there. A limit forces the owner to make some value judgement about keeping the player. I think that the player should actually be injured to qualify but so many times NFL teams play games with the IR declaration, that players stay PUP all season (ELVIS DUMMERVILE) and the owner really deserves a chance to make that call. Who's going to pick up an IR stud? That means someone would have to drop have had to drop that stud. The only way that would happen is if you LIMIT the number of IR spots and someone is forced to drop a stud because they just don't have the roster room. If you don't limit it they won't have a problem keeping them (and shouldn't have a problem keeping them). And if there are FA's that are on IR, just make the rule that anyone on IR can be picked up, but cannot be put on IR in our league so they would still count as a roster spot in that situation. Cause otherwise there would be no downside to someone picking up every single FA that goes on IR (other than counting towards their salary cap). And I stated before that I can understand the argument about being able to decide on non-IR guys which is why I said I liked SF's suggestion of limit of 2 for any non-IR injury and unlimited for IR guys.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 15:39:43 GMT -5
Ahhh,,,i dropped Domenik Hixon when he went on IR just a couple weeks ago and Seattle picked him up to hold until next season it does happen, and i am sure it will not be the last to occure. I think the unlimited IR player idea is really 'neat' but we have to deal with the reality that players must be recorded into a system, that system is fantrax. This system allows for a quick look at free agents~ that is not possible with the excel roster system we use to record contract length and salary. Just trying to enter a little practicle procedural thought into the process. If you have 24 players and more than 2 hit year long IR too bad, cut bait on somebody or hold them on your normal roster. i am NOT in favor of further depleting the FA player pool so an owner can stuff the team for next season...with 2 IR positions if every owner were to use every possible slot we have 832 players already on teams. I would like to think that trading, and FA can be part of a dynasty league as well as hording players or draft picks
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Post by kiko13 on Sept 3, 2010 16:41:36 GMT -5
Hixon is a stud? 187 yards and 1 TD in 14 games. Not exactly a convincing example. And if you thought he was a stud, not sure why you dropped him unless he only had 1 year left on his contract.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 16:49:33 GMT -5
just an FYI CAR- Hixon scored 105 points in 'our system' last season [that is more than half the players on your current roster]and this would be his fourth season (the point of meshing with a system and QB) most who actually follow fantasy football know when a WR is ready for the breakout season, and know that it is just as important to understand your scoring system when evaluating value. I had years left on his contract but find it absurd to carry a player on IR when they are not going to play a single snap the entire season~ I will use IR for players that actually get injured during the season, but am more than willing to let another team use the strategy to hold Hixon until next year.just wasnt my strategy.
One more point,,,,I have used real examples Elvis Dumerville (not on IR in NFL but should be), Jonathan Stewart (a typical day to day coach secret), and Domenik Hixon (a true IR that could have been considered a potential stud for 2010) when discussing each of the points i make. Atleast I am sharing reasons I have formed the opinions I have regarding the IR.
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Post by San Francisco 49ers on Sept 3, 2010 16:53:29 GMT -5
We are talking about this in staff as well to get things taken care of soon, but I'm for the idea of have players on the PUP list allowed on our I.R. because I don't know the statistic behind this, but I think a lot of players on PUP are placed that way so teams don't have to say your done for a year, but see if half way through they can play. Doesn't nearly mean they will play, sometimes they go on I.R. after that. I'm for no limit to I.R. even if they are only on PUP. I am against day to day going on I.R. even though if a team were to do that, they are screwing themselves over just as much. Because once a player is back and playing they have to be taken of I.R. sit on a teams bench taking up a spot, while still not being playable, and still count against cap.
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Post by kiko13 on Sept 3, 2010 17:51:40 GMT -5
just an FYI CAR- Hixon scored 105 points in 'our system' I completely understand the importance of knowing the scoring rules, I just forgot he was a return guy. It's pretty easy to score points with returners. Not even sure what the point is with including return yards for fantasy football scoring, but the scoring rules are the scoring rules so we're stuck with them. One more point,,,,I have used real examples Elvis Dumerville (not on IR in NFL but should be), Jonathan Stewart (a typical day to day coach secret), and Domenik Hixon (a true IR that could have been considered a potential stud for 2010) when discussing each of the points i make. Atleast I am sharing reasons I have formed the opinions I have regarding the IR. True, and I said in the case of Dumerville and Stewart that I was fine with having people decide on their own if they want to put them on IR, but limit that to 2 and in the case of Hixon (a FF stud!) would never be a FA for someone to pick up and just stick on their own IR if we had no limit for IR players. So I have used your exact examples to come up with a possible solution (or at least agree with SF's possible solution) and gave reasons why it would work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 18:05:43 GMT -5
Cool Reply!
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