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Post by Baltimore Ravens on Apr 9, 2013 11:31:42 GMT -5
How about a penalty in the form of lost cap. I suggest a penaly of half dalary per year left on contract. I think this would be good for keeping contracts legitimate, and would offer another angle to strategy. Maybe the penalty only occurs after the cutdown at beginning of season? I think would force people to think before they bid. Just a thought. Any comments?
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Post by San Francisco 49ers on Apr 9, 2013 20:54:41 GMT -5
We can talk about it more, but isn't this exactly what RB is for?
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Post by Baltimore Ravens on Apr 10, 2013 9:01:22 GMT -5
Yes and no. I think it could be a good way to phase out the RB systtem and create a system that is easier to manage. We could either do like I originally suggested and use a % of yearly salary left on cobtract or set up a tier system for player quality and year length. But I still think it would only be enforced after the final cutdown
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Post by Denver Broncos on Apr 10, 2013 18:06:54 GMT -5
I guess my question is... why? That sounds exactly what the roster bonus is for. I'm just wondering what you hope is accomplished by this.
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Post by Baltimore Ravens on Apr 10, 2013 23:45:16 GMT -5
It discourages excessive adds and drops. It adds more strategy to how you bid. People woyld hesitate to run salaries up and lengthy contracts. I think a simpler replacement system for RB that adds another angle to strategy. I have a lot of respect for what the staff does,and I think easier.
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Post by Baltimore Ravens on Apr 10, 2013 23:52:45 GMT -5
If the player has no RB there is no penalty. If you sign a player for 4years you should be willing to keep them orvface a penalty. Encourageing short contracts for players you have less faith in and long contracts for high confidenve players. It allows players to re-enter the market more often.
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Post by johnsimpson84 on Apr 12, 2013 11:22:58 GMT -5
If there is a change like that, total contract years should be limited also. You would have to start over with salaries especially because some teams would get an advantage of losing RB that they already have on roster.
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Post by Baltimore Ravens on Apr 20, 2013 17:15:41 GMT -5
change isn't easy,but i agree it would require alot of thought to detail for implementing this idea. But right now its just an idea ,and maybe a better idea will come out of it.
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Post by Washington Redskins on Apr 20, 2013 20:52:05 GMT -5
The point of this league is to be as realistic to the NFL as possible. This isn't a real penalty in the NFL and it shouldn't be one in this league either. That is exactly what a roster bonus(guaranteed money) is for. If the player is actually worth running up the salary for, the roster bonus will most likely be high as well. Those players who have small contracts are the exact players that are meant to be added and dropped very frequently. NFL teams are always adding and dropping tons of players all the time, it is just part of the game. The system is fine the way it is
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Post by San Francisco 49ers on Apr 20, 2013 21:02:51 GMT -5
While I still can't completely dismiss this idea without more discussion. I still am for the system we already have. I feel like RB is a large part of what sets this league apart and makes it what it is. Removing it just doesn't seem right.
With that said I fully support, and love how you are willing to put yourself out there and a suggestion, in fact many times. Especially when you are thinking of the staff, this would truly make things easier for us. While RB may be a pain to enter all the time, easier for the staff may not exactly be better for the league...
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Post by San Francisco 49ers on Apr 20, 2013 21:07:30 GMT -5
Washington's note wasn't up while I wrote this. After reading that I do agree. The point of this league was to follow the NFL as close as possible.
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Post by Tennessee Titans on Apr 23, 2013 22:02:03 GMT -5
So I like the penalty for cutting a player, but I think this type of change would be just too big to implement fairly. With that said I think we need to tweak the system to stop this insane bidding. An owner bids like crazy, screws his team then quits and the new owner has to do drastic things to pick up the pieces. Here are a few of my suggestions. 1. Increase the RB limit and/or penalty for dropping a player. 2. Remove the splitting of RB over 2 years. 3. Limit bidding to free cash plus some amount. For example, a team can bid its free cash plus 10% of the teams total cap, 72 Mil * 10% = 7.2 mil. With multiple bids going on this may be tough to track. 4. When dropping a player, take a minimum cap hit say 250K, min salary. 5. These are all just suggestions, probably most bad and must be thought through. Anyone else see the crazy bidding as something that needs fixing?
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Post by Baltimore Ravens on May 5, 2013 21:04:02 GMT -5
I just don't see a point in a RB i guess. I think how bad you want someone should be reflected only by the salary your willing to dedicate to your teams cap. I think that a drop penalty would protect someone from over bidding a player to get them. Having a seperate salary in the form of guaranteed money, seems to be pointless to me. With a drop penalty it could be regulated by salary value, and across the board even. Would simplify bids, and simplify the work for the staff. this is totally out of whack probably...but say you have a player whose salary is worth from 1-3mil...that penalty should be a % of the salary that comes from this years cap. Makes keeping a team under cap more challengeing and fun in my opinion. just a suggestion, i like this league alot and always looking for ways to simplify and improve the competitiveness. thanks for considering my suggestion.
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Post by Denver Broncos on May 6, 2013 21:37:49 GMT -5
I still don't understand how a percentage system is easier for staff or makes the league any different really. We still incur penalties for dropping a player with a roster bonus. Generally speaking the players that are added and dropped frequently are very low money contracts. There are not a ton of over paid players in this league. To touch on your earlier point of excessive add/drops, you're as guilty as the rest of us. That's part of the league! I just really struggle with how this would make the league any more challenging, fun, realistic, etc. The system we have makes this league unique and it works!
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Post by Baltimore Ravens on May 9, 2013 19:55:53 GMT -5
did i say i would be an exception to the rule? Do you think im coming up with this "suggestion" because i want something to benefit me? Im just brainstorming ideas and sharing it. If the majority don't like , thats fine. I proposed the idea initially to get us thinking of how to streamline the work involved to manage the league. Not every suggestion will involve improving the challenge,fun or realistic aspect of the game. There was a time when we didn't have MFL , and most of the work was done in the forums,and on excel sheets. then a suggestion was made to use mfl. The percentage idea was a variable %, it was a fixed percentage for all players. The higher the salary the player has, the more the penalty would be. I understand if this idea gets deleted, apparently some don't recognize what kind of work goes into keeping up with the RB during trades and drops. Thank you Staff for all that you do.
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Post by Denver Broncos on May 10, 2013 8:22:44 GMT -5
I see someone is a little passive aggressive. I never said you were trying to be an exception to the rule. I didn't say you were trying to make a rule to benefit yourself either. I simply made an observation. You take issue with people adding a dropping frequently, as stated in your previous post. Yet, you yourself have done just that... Observation. I never knocked the staff either. I've been here since the beginning, I know what they do and remember those excel spreadsheets. They put in a ton of work and it is greatly appreciated. This isn't a personal attack against you, I just disagree with your suggestion.
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