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Feb 21, 2010 18:37:30 GMT -5
Post by patsfan on Feb 21, 2010 18:37:30 GMT -5
just throwin this out there, we'l see the feedback: in order to prevent confusion, i think that anyone currently listed as a de/lb hybrid on our fantasy website at (http://www.fantrax.com/NFL/players.go), should remain that way for their career. i believe that many young players enter as a hybrid and the website determines after a certain time what they r (de or lb). i just think we should know what our players will be listed as come fall, so the website doesnt change some and not others. the website says the commish can determine the position of players at command so it could work. take bryan orakpo for example. he is listed as a lb/de currently. i just think an owner should know what his player will be listed as in the foreseeable future so we dont have to gamble on what his future position will be. just throwin out an idea here since this delemma has been a concern of some owners out there. what do u guys think? i can go either way just wanted to see where people stand
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Feb 21, 2010 18:43:37 GMT -5
Post by Commish on Feb 21, 2010 18:43:37 GMT -5
well i'm not completely sure what your getting at here but this is how i think it has to work. Fantrax ultimately determines the guys position, not us, and if he's a DL/LB, guess what? you can play him at either DL or LB, its your choice, but he just has to be listed at either LB or DL on the rosters because there is no flex category.
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Feb 21, 2010 18:44:56 GMT -5
Post by San Francisco 49ers on Feb 21, 2010 18:44:56 GMT -5
That would be nice to know seeing as I'm starting to shop around my 1st pick Anthony Spencer, I drafted him for the fact that he was a DE/LB, but after seeing he's not listed that way on fantrax (a lb only) I don't want him. But if I trade him and then find out he's a hybrid I would be more pissed at myself than I am now for drafting him with my first pick...this would also probably affect who I would throw money at in Free Agency...
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Feb 21, 2010 18:48:26 GMT -5
Post by patsfan on Feb 21, 2010 18:48:26 GMT -5
what i was getting at, was that those players would stay has hybrids so we dont gamble on who gets turned into just an lb or de. i just proposed this because who is a hybrid often changes, and i wanted to apply some stability since this is a dynasty league. u know?
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Feb 21, 2010 18:50:24 GMT -5
Post by patsfan on Feb 21, 2010 18:50:24 GMT -5
.....ya, i just think that while fantasy websites often change who they determine as hybrids from year to year, i think as a dynasty league we should have some stability so we know who we're getting.....
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Feb 21, 2010 19:00:13 GMT -5
Post by Commish on Feb 21, 2010 19:00:13 GMT -5
i'm not sure if we're on the same page or not, but if fantrax changes one of those listings, I can't control that so then its just how it goes, things are going to change. so you can see what they are right now, but i can't promise anything for the future.
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Feb 21, 2010 19:01:22 GMT -5
Post by San Francisco 49ers on Feb 21, 2010 19:01:22 GMT -5
Ya I know this is a big decision, that will take prolly take time, but if we go this way we should do this for rookies too, cause I see some talented rookies coming in who if they go to the right team would be in the same position...
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Feb 21, 2010 19:07:36 GMT -5
Post by patsfan on Feb 21, 2010 19:07:36 GMT -5
hey kevin, i looked it up when i was on the website and u will have the power as commish to determine if players are hybrids or not, so this is doable. and for chris's statement- i think that once the website determines a rookie or any other player to be a hybrid, then he would stay that way for his career.
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Feb 21, 2010 19:31:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 19:31:46 GMT -5
Fantrax probably has eligibility criteria it goes by for these guys. They probably have to play so many games at a given position to become eligible at that position. It wouldn't be right for them to pull a position out of their backside and slap it on them. Besides players change positions all the time. A safety changes to CB or CB change to safety and sometimes a DB moves to the LB position when they start lifting weights and get bulked up. It will be fine, thats the way the game goes. Besides don't we gamble on every player, hoping that they can play all year and not get injured? Or don't we gamble that the #1 Rookie picked in the draft isn't the next big bust.
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Feb 21, 2010 19:42:07 GMT -5
Post by San Francisco 49ers on Feb 21, 2010 19:42:07 GMT -5
Yes, but I guess I'm more on the side of Fantrax doesn't have many players listed as Hybrid, even though I know they should be. Ultimate decision comes down to what commish says, I may not like it, but I'd deal with it...Specifically, Anthony Spencer, Calvin Pace, LaMarr Woodley, Aaron Maybin. If at some point they end up changing from being a hybrid to not being one for a legit reason (ie. switching teams or defenses) then that's what happens, we have no control over that...I feel Fantrax has it wrong for those players, but it's Kevin's decision if it should be changed or not, and that is what I want to know...
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Feb 21, 2010 20:17:05 GMT -5
Post by patsfan on Feb 21, 2010 20:17:05 GMT -5
i kno that what tampa says makes sense: players change positions all the time and i guess we'l just have to try and predict what happens. it'l just be interesting to see who takes a chance on dumervil, he may or may not remain a hybrid in the fantrax system. from what iv seen, usually young players r labeled a hybrid until they find their niche, not many veterans thus r hybrids (spencer for example). i guess my efforts to provide stability to the situation seeing as we are dynasty has been in vain, but i guess we'l just have to put everything up to luck and fantrax's judgement. not a fan but get ur poker chips out cause all those players are gonna be a huge gamble, whatever the commish wants
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Feb 21, 2010 20:58:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 20:58:12 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how much you try make things better, there will always be a bump in the road somewhere.
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Feb 21, 2010 21:25:10 GMT -5
Post by patsfan on Feb 21, 2010 21:25:10 GMT -5
OK, whatever that means. i guess i wont throw ideas out there anymore but an owner brought this to my attention, and i thought we could discuss it, sorry for wasting ur time tampa
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Feb 21, 2010 21:39:03 GMT -5
Post by Commish on Feb 21, 2010 21:39:03 GMT -5
San Fran- i see what you're saying, but look at it this way, players almost have to be either a DL or LB, they cant really be both (but given some are). It's like saying a RB like ronnie brown could be a QB cause they run the wildcat and he takes snaps, or saying a RB like reggie bush could be a WR because he lines up in the slot, same with a TE like Clark or Witten, we'd almost have to give them WR eligibility as well as RB or TE if we were to give those DL or LB eligibility at both spots.
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Feb 21, 2010 21:39:43 GMT -5
Post by San Francisco 49ers on Feb 21, 2010 21:39:43 GMT -5
No things arn't always gonna be perfect...but tryin' to work things out one at a time can't hurt...we'll just leave it and let Commish come up with a decision...Hopefully with a little reasoning behind the decision, but whatever it is, is the way it's gonna be...
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Feb 21, 2010 21:46:17 GMT -5
Post by Commish on Feb 21, 2010 21:46:17 GMT -5
Things wont always be perfect but they can atleast be consistant and thats what i think it will be by leaving players with only one position, or atleast not changing it so they have 2, then we'd have to remain consistant and do the same for the guys on offense too, then it becomes a touchy mess where too many opinions will make too much of an impact on the league.
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Feb 21, 2010 22:02:48 GMT -5
Post by patsfan on Feb 21, 2010 22:02:48 GMT -5
no i agree, we'l drop it, just thought it was worth discussing
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Feb 22, 2010 20:45:00 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 20:45:00 GMT -5
Houston, no one posted that your proposed discussion was a waste of time. All I was saying is that inevitably there will be issues no matter how many rules or procedures you try to implement to prevent them.
There was no intent what so ever to offend anyone.
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Feb 22, 2010 20:58:28 GMT -5
Post by patsfan on Feb 22, 2010 20:58:28 GMT -5
no offense taken, i like that we can discuss possible options, we generally reach the right conclusion by working together. nothing wrong with trying to fix things tho. sometimes it makes sense sometimes it doesnt. i agree this instance it doesnt makes sense to try and fix anything. but i will always be trying to propose solutions, i just like making things more fair.
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